{"id":167743,"date":"2023-10-30T11:19:15","date_gmt":"2023-10-30T08:19:18","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/kupitiblog.store\/576r\/beware-the-no-recession-call-economic-data-lags-reality\/"},"modified":"2023-10-30T11:19:15","modified_gmt":"2023-10-30T08:19:18","slug":"beware-the-no-recession-call-economic-data-lags-reality","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/kupitiblog.store\/576r\/beware-the-no-recession-call-economic-data-lags-reality\/","title":{"rendered":"Beware the &#8216;No Recession&#8217; Call: Economic Data Lags Reality"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Economists no longer expect a recession. Such was according to a recent WSJ survey of Wall Street economists. To wit:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>\u201c<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/kupitiblog.store\/576r\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/8ddf8edd5209027ab5d63bad54dba948.png\"  \/><span class=\"inlineblock middle imgCaptionText\">WSJ-Recession Forecasts<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>The Federal Reserve also suggests the same. Following the September FOMC meeting, the <strong><\/strong> and upgraded its economic forecast to include a  scenario.<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/kupitiblog.store\/576r\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/1932407e50d9a577e2709bc2a3eb0c26.png\"  \/><span class=\"inlineblock middle imgCaptionText\">Economic Forecasts<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>The problem with that optimism is that it is entirely based on lagging economic data.<\/p>\n<p>More importantly, that lagging data is subject to relatively large negative revisions in the future.<\/p>\n<p>Furthermore, as discussed previously, tighter monetary policy\u2019s \u201clag effect\u201d is still working through the system. As Michael Lebowitz noted:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>\u201c<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/kupitiblog.store\/576r\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/74946c0ad5ea67adea3d3a4e862f3fa5.png\"  \/><span class=\"inlineblock middle imgCaptionText\">Fed Funds and The Lag Effect<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>In other words, if the average delay<\/strong> <strong>between the final rate increase and recession is 11 months, and the last hike was in July 2023, the risk to forward expectations is quite elevated.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Such is why the Fed and economists are always a day late and a <span class=\"aqPopupWrapper js-hover-me-wrapper\">dollar<\/span> short.<\/p>\n<h2 id=\"h-a-day-late-and-a-dollar-short\"><strong>A Day Late And A Dollar Short<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>Given the dependence on economic data subject to significant revisions, it is unsurprising that the Fed and economists are often incorrect in their prognostications. As we noted earlier:\u00a0<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/kupitiblog.store\/576r\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/1f58f17a35bf8c67c246936d48ec2d51.jpg\"  \/><span class=\"inlineblock middle imgCaptionText\">Fed GDP Projection<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Of course, economists are not much better. Let\u2019s revisit the WSJ survey of Wall Street economists from above.<\/p>\n<p>However, this time, we will note the dates that the National Bureau Of Economic Research (NBER) dated the beginning and end of the last two recessions. <\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/kupitiblog.store\/576r\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/882408020b116d15d3b5246ceb001e9e.png\"  \/><span class=\"inlineblock middle imgCaptionText\">WSJ Recession Probability vs NBER-Dating<\/span><\/p>\n<p>While this sample size is relatively small, it does reinforce the point that economists are generally wrong about a  scenario.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The problem with assessing the state of the economy today<\/strong> <strong>based on current data points is that these numbers are only \u201c<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Economic data is subject to substantive negative revisions as data gets collected and adjusted over the forthcoming 12- and 36-months.<\/p>\n<p>Consider for a minute that in January 2008, Chairman Bernanke stated:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>In hindsight, in December 2008, the NBER dated the start of the official recession in December 2007.<\/p>\n<p>If Ben Bernanke didn\u2019t know a recession was underway, how would we?<\/p>\n<p>Let\u2019s take a look at the data below of real  economic growth rates:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/kupitiblog.store\/576r\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/82f8bdfffbba025c7655849f12cc56cd.png\"  \/><span class=\"inlineblock middle imgCaptionText\">NBER GDP Peak vs Recession<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Each of the dates above shows the economy\u2019s growth rate <strong>immediately before the onset of a recession. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>You will note in the table above that in 7 of the last ten recessions, real <span class=\"aqPopupWrapper js-hover-me-wrapper\">GDP<\/span> growth was running at 2% or above.<strong> In other words, according to the media, there was NO indication of a recession.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>But the next month, one began.<\/p>\n<p>The chart below shows the <span class=\"aqPopupWrapper js-hover-me-wrapper\">S&#038;P 500<\/span> with two dots. The blue dots are when the recession started.<\/p>\n<p>The yellow triangle is when the NBER dated the start of the recession. <strong>In 9 of 10 instances, the S&#038;P 500 peaked and turned lower before the recognition of a recession. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/kupitiblog.store\/576r\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/a8fa7cb2e90402b95d0011728864b996.png\"  \/><span class=\"inlineblock middle imgCaptionText\">NBER w\/Recession Dating vs Market Realization<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Do you see the problem of the  call by economists?<\/p>\n<h2 id=\"h-waiting-on-the-data\"><strong>Waiting On The Data<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>While the WSJ economists are seemingly confident in their expectation of \u201c <strong>the economic data hasn\u2019t caught up with economic realities.<\/strong> The table below shows the date of the market peak and real GDP versus the start of the recession and GDP growth at that time.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/kupitiblog.store\/576r\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/4a8eba7d8a1ff14d49c2bdc0d12e27da.png\"  \/><span class=\"inlineblock middle imgCaptionText\">Recession And NBER Dating Table<\/span><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>For example:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><\/li>\n<li><\/li>\n<li> the economy fell into recession,<\/li>\n<li><\/li>\n<li><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>As noted above, during 2007, most media, analysts, and the economic community proclaimed there was <strong><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>They were wrong.<\/p>\n<p>Today, we are once again seeing many of the  Leading economic indicators, inverted yield curves, and the change in monetary velocity suggest the risk of a recession is elevated.<\/p>\n<p>There are three lessons to be learned from this analysis:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><\/li>\n<li><\/li>\n<li><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>We suspect the bevy of WSJ economists will again be incorrect in their assumptions.<\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately, we won\u2019t have that evidence until it is too late.<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.investing.com\/analysis\/beware-the-no-recession-call-economic-data-lags-reality-200643105\">Source<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; Economists no longer expect a recession. Such was according to a recent WSJ survey of Wall Street economists. To wit: \u201cWSJ-Recession Forecasts The Federal Reserve also suggests the same. Following the September FOMC meeting, the and upgraded its economic forecast to include a scenario.Economic Forecasts The problem with that optimism is that it is &hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":167745,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[3338],"tags":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v16.5 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Beware the &#039;No Recession&#039; Call: Economic Data Lags Reality - BiznesSMI - \u043a\u043e\u0442\u0438\u0440\u043e\u0432\u043a\u0438 \u0432\u0430\u043b\u044e\u0442, \u0430\u043a\u0446\u0438\u0438, \u0444\u043e\u0440\u0435\u043a\u0441, \u0438\u043d\u0434\u0435\u043a\u0441\u044b, \u0430 \u0442\u0430\u043a\u0436\u0435 \u0442\u0435\u0445\u043d\u0438\u0447\u0435\u0441\u043a\u0438\u0439 \u0430\u043d\u0430\u043b\u0438\u0437, \u0433\u0440\u0430\u0444\u0438\u043a\u0438, \u0444\u0438\u043d\u0430\u043d\u0441\u043e\u0432\u044b\u0435 \u043d\u043e\u0432\u043e\u0441\u0442\u0438 \u0438 \u0430\u043d\u0430\u043b\u0438\u0442\u0438\u043a\u0430.<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"noindex, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"ru_RU\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Beware the &#039;No Recession&#039; Call: Economic Data Lags Reality - BiznesSMI - \u043a\u043e\u0442\u0438\u0440\u043e\u0432\u043a\u0438 \u0432\u0430\u043b\u044e\u0442, \u0430\u043a\u0446\u0438\u0438, \u0444\u043e\u0440\u0435\u043a\u0441, \u0438\u043d\u0434\u0435\u043a\u0441\u044b, \u0430 \u0442\u0430\u043a\u0436\u0435 \u0442\u0435\u0445\u043d\u0438\u0447\u0435\u0441\u043a\u0438\u0439 \u0430\u043d\u0430\u043b\u0438\u0437, \u0433\u0440\u0430\u0444\u0438\u043a\u0438, \u0444\u0438\u043d\u0430\u043d\u0441\u043e\u0432\u044b\u0435 \u043d\u043e\u0432\u043e\u0441\u0442\u0438 \u0438 \u0430\u043d\u0430\u043b\u0438\u0442\u0438\u043a\u0430.\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"&nbsp; Economists no longer expect a recession. 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